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So, now that I've come from teaching and I'm, you know, have pivoted and I'm now successfully in the tech world there are a few things that I want to call out that teachers who think they might want to transition or actively looking to transition really need to be mindful of, and hopefully these things will help you on your journey to figuring out what you want to transition into, talking about those transferable skills, building your network, and so, if you are a teacher, stay tuned.
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Hey babe, what are we talking about today?
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Today we are talking about how to transition out of teaching Something that you've done successfully.
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Well, you know what's funny is I brought this episode idea to Brandon because I think it's important and I think it's valuable and I was like I'm out.
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I brought it to you a while ago.
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OK, well, semantics, Either way.
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I was like I really want to get an awesome teacher on here that's transitioned out of teaching and now has a successful career, you know, in a different field or in tech.
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And he was like, or we could just record the episode with you, because you've done that and I don't know where my head was Mom brain, it's real.
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But Brandon was like, yeah, we'll just record it with you and we'll go from there.
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And I was like, oh duh, but you know, I think I mean at this point I think I've been out of teaching longer than I was in teaching.
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So just for quick background, I have two master's degrees in education.
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Right after college graduation, like within days, I had an interview at the school that I ended up working at for four years.
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It was a almost new middle school in South Carolina.
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That's where I got my start.
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And then I transitioned and taught high school for three years in the district that I grew up in.
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So not the high school that I went to, but still the same district.
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So kind of a full circle moment was really cool.
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I made some great memories.
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So seven full years in teaching.
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Seven full years in teaching, and then this guy asked me to move to North Carolina, and at that point I knew we were going to be married and all the things, and so I changed my licenses.
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There's no reciprocity from South Carolina to North Carolina, so I did all the things I needed to in order to get my licenses updated and all that, and then come to find out North Carolina did not want to acknowledge that I had two master's degrees.
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They were going to only give me credit for one, and if you know anything about teaching in the United States, you know that we do not pay our teachers well, and so the biggest pay bump that you'll get really in education, from my experience, is going from your bachelor's degree to your master's degree.
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So I got that bump and then a master's to a master's, plus 30.
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So if you have any other coursework certifications, another master's degree, that's another bump that you can get, and then, of course, you can get your PhD, you can do board certifications, etc.
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But for them to not acknowledge my second master's degree was really quite alarming, and so at that point I decided all right, I could, you know, work at Starbucks.
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You're missing a key point, though, because I think them not recognizing your second master's degree.
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You were going to make somewhere around $12,000 less.
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Correct, and I was already not making anything.
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So you know, as a teacher, not making a ton of money, obviously, and then coming to North Carolina and they were going to pay you $12,000 less.
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Crazy.
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Is just that.
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Yeah, the issues with teaching.
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So literally I was like I could work at Starbucks, have better health insurance, better work-life balance, probably have more fun at work, have stock options, like you know and that's not to discount any of the other companies that I could have considered, but at that point it was time to pivot and so I made a pivot.
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We're not going to get into that journey right now, but I am ultimately now in the tech space, which is where I plan on staying.
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I currently work for a fortune 100 company and really the experience has been great.
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I have since also helped several of our friends and acquaintances and former colleagues transition out of teaching.
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I hope that our children's teachers don't listen to this episode, because we need good teachers and I respect the teaching profession so much.
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But it's really difficult because you pour into your teeth.
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You know you're teaching your lessons, your kids, your classroom.
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You're spending so much of your, your money in providing snacks, decorations.
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You know great experiences and the good teachers who are going above and beyond really are.
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You're exhausted at the end of the day and for the people who are like, but you get your summers off, take that nonsense somewhere else.
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There is no off time I had a part-time job during the summer.
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Every summer you're changing classrooms, you're getting assigned new curriculums.
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Also, our kids go to year-round school, so yeah, so the summer is five and a half weeks and you know the teachers don't get that full five and a half weeks.
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And I mean, just save the nonsense for somebody else, because we're not, we're not here for it.
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But all that to say, it makes sense that there seems to be this mass exodus out of education because you are overworked, underpaid, highly stressed.
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And Brandon and I knew, while you know I was moving here and we were going to get married and all those things we knew, we wanted to have our own family.
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And I remember vividly having a conversation where I said I don't think that we can have our own children.
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While I'm also pouring into, you know, 32 kids per class, six classes a day, and then come home and want to spend time with you and our own kids, I just I'm not going to be able to do it.
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Yeah, and this episode is not telling teachers to transition, because I we both believe that teaching is one of the hardest professions there is and they don't get nearly what they should be paid nor the credit in the United States.
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They don't get.
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They don't nearly get the credit that they should get either.
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And so, as just as stated, you know, a lot of teachers are getting burned out and wanting to do something else, transition out of teaching.
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And so this episode is for those teachers who are looking to transition, to transition out.
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And I remember, several years back, talking to I was at a networking event and I was talking to somebody and I asked them what they did for a living and they were like oh, you know, I'm, I'm just a teacher.
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And I was like just a teacher, that's how you describe what you do, as if teaching is not the most important thing, because we've all learned from teachers you know, without teachers, society wouldn't be what it is today, and so I think a big portion of this episode is to really make teachers understand that so much of what you do from a skill set is 100% transferable into other careers.
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Yes.
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So to piggyback off of what you said, this episode is for teachers who are thinking of transitioning out of teaching.
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For teachers who are thinking of transitioning out of teaching who are thinking of maybe doing it, you know, at this next summer break or maybe two or three or four or five years from now.
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I mean, you have options.
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One of the things that I've learned in working with friends and colleagues and acquaintances who are looking to transition from teaching is that there are pretty large gaps.
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So now that I've come from teaching and I'm, you know, have pivoted and I'm now successfully in the tech world, there are a few things that I want to call out that teachers who think they might want to transition or actively looking to transition really need to be mindful of, and hopefully these things will help you on your journey to figuring out what you want to transition into, talking about those transferable skills, building your network, and so if you are a teacher, stay tuned.
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If you're not a teacher, send this episode to a friend that isn't teaching, that's pulling their hair out, because we think there's a lot of value here.
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Now, also, keep in mind that these kind of tips and tricks and suggestions are not this is not a comprehensive list, right.
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These are some of the things that I think and what I've seen in helping my friends and colleagues transition out of the classroom.
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These are the things that I see as themes consistently that could use improvement, and I think one of the first things that I'll say is you know, coming back to your, your story about that networking event of I'm just a teacher is really, I find that teachers a lot of times diminish their skill sets.
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And you're not just a teacher, you are a teacher, you're a counselor, you're a compliance officer, you are a psychologist, you're a party planner, you're a program manager, you're a product manager.
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You are doing so many jobs in one day in one class, five, six times a day, with little resourcing, little support.
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One person corporation.
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Literally, and so I want to start the conversation with really getting into your skill sets and really writing down the things that you do on a daily basis.
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When I ask for resumes from teachers, half the time the formatting is totally wrong.
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You're utilizing half of the page and it doesn't even go down to a full page, and I'm like, having been a teacher for seven years, this page should be full and I should be scrolling to the second page.
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This is not comprehensive, and so one of the things that I have asked friends and colleagues to do when they're looking to transition is write down everything you do during the day, during each class.
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If you're teaching multiple levels, you know sometimes, if you're a grade level teacher, fine, everything you do in every seventh grade class that you teach.
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If you are an arts teacher, where you're teaching grades, you know six through eight or nine through 12 or whatever it might be every single thing that you're doing for those classes, whether you think it's big or small.
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Get it down on paper.
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We can always pull back, we can always refine, but when you're already starting from a place of, well, I only do this, I just do this, it's really hard to build on top of that, and so I literally encourage you to open up a document and word vomit what did you do this week, what did you do this month and get it all out there, Every little tiny thing.
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Put it on paper, and that's going to be the start of building a really comprehensive story for your resume comprehensive story for your resume.
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No, I mean, I 100% agree with that, because Jess has obviously done successfully herself and she's helped other people successfully transition, and I've worked in finance with individuals who have a teaching background and I can tell you one of the advisors that I think I learned a ton from, as far as from a presentation standpoint and how he would explain things was a former teacher.
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So you know, this is just a matter of, like she said, word, vomit it and then look through it, but then also have somebody else help you out as far as picking out the different, different things that you do throughout the course of your day and doing a better job of maybe explaining how that skill set in the classroom actually transfers.
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To quote unquote corporate America.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I think and we've brought this up in a previous episode as well as this is a really good time after you've word vomited all the things that you do and you're really taking a skills assessment, what you're good at, the certifications that you've gotten, the classes you've taken, the classes you've enjoyed, you know, do you?
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What do you thrive in?
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What parts of your day do you really look forward to?
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Is it curriculum planning?
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Is it writing out a curriculum?
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Is it the parent teacher conferences?
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Is it working with school counselors?
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Is it having IEP meetings?
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Is it planning the class field trip?
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Is it planning the fundraisers?
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Like, what really energizes you?
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Because I know, coming out of education, the kids are the kids, right, there's, it's going to be good, it's going to be bad, it's going to be messy, it's going to be hilarious.
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Like kids, you just that's what makes the day go by quickly, right?
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Because you just never know what they're going to say, what they're going to do, and no, two days are the same.
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I sat through her classes one time when we were still dating towards the end of the school day and I was like man, was I like this in high school?
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He was like I could never do this, and I was like, oh, I know, but those are the things I want you to think about.
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What fires you up?
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What parts of your day and your activities are really exciting to you, and is that something you would want to lean into more?
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I think another thing that you need to think about, you know, aside from the obvious, are you willing to take a pay cut, you know, to start in a new industry, recognizing that you might need to take a step back to then take a step forward?
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Are you willing to go.
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There's probably a few industries that'll do that.
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Well, yeah.
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Because teachers don't get paid a lot at all.
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You know, would you be willing to take a commissions-based role?
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Something that is very new and I've had to talk some of my friends through, is you know, as a teacher you don't get much of a paycheck, but it's a steady paycheck, whereas if you're going into sales and you don't have any sales experience, you might have to start at the bottom of that totem pole.
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You might have to start with some 22-year-old new grads who are deciding to go into that same field.
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And what does that commission structure look like?
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What does that bonus structure look like?
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Do you want to work in an office?
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Most of you, unless you're actually teaching, virtually still you're around people all day right, like being in a classroom, being with other teachers, going into your departmental planning meetings.
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Those are very social activities.
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Do you enjoy that?
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Does that fire you up?
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Does it drain you?
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You have to decide.
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I think it could be very isolating for somebody to go from a classroom teaching job to a fully remote.
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I work from home.
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I come downstairs in the morning and turn on my laptop job.
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You need to decide.
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Is that something you want to explore?
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Do you think you might need something a little bit more hybrid?
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And then also onboarding right, onboarding in a new way.
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Do you do that better in person?
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Do you like doing that virtually?
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These are the times to really think about how your life will change.
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If you have a family, how is this going to impact them?
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But then also, you know, what current skill sets do you want to lean into?
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Where do you thrive?
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You know what are your passions, what industries interest you most.
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Right, everybody talks about tech, tech, tech, tech is pretty volatile, like I can tell you that.
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So you know you might want to think about those things as well.
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So, from your experience, what would you say are maybe the top three skills as a teacher that you see transfer over to corporate America the easiest?
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Yeah, great question.
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So I think training and development is huge, right, You're literally training, teaching a classroom full of kids every single day.
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If you can keep their attention and get them to learn something, you can do it with a quote unquote classroom full of adults.
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Something you can do it with a quote unquote classroom full of adults.
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So those training and development roles, sales trainers.
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I think, yeah, that is.
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I mean that's, that's, that's very important, because that's that's in every corporation 100%.
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Everybody needs to be trained right.
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Every everybody needs some sort of an onboarding experience.
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Those come in all different varieties, but there needs to be something.
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And I honestly think that it should be someone with a teaching background.
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I have definitely sat through trainings where it was very obvious this person has never been in a classroom or taught anybody else, but they were very successful at their job so they thought, oh, they could teach somebody else, and that is a completely different skill set.
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Yes, very so.
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Training and development, anything, customer service, let's face it, you are in front of people all day, every day.
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Your students are your customers.
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The students' parents are your customers.
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Your principal is your customer.
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Those guidance counselors, they are your customers.
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Everybody in that school is a stakeholder.
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And let me pivot into that, because one of the things that I think teachers need to be aware of are those corporate lingos and the corporate jargon, right so, customers, stakeholders, you call them students.
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Decision makers.
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Decision makers.
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You call them students, you call them your leadership team, but what does that look like on a resume?
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How can you make it really clear on a resume that your customers are your students, but they are your stakeholders, because that is what you're being judged on.
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How are they performing?
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Are they ready to move to the next level?
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How are they receiving the information?
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How are they doing on standardized testing?
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All of that, I think, is really important to recognize when you're switching industries.
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Depending on what industry you go into.
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What verbiage do they use?
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How do they talk about their customers, their stakeholders, their clients, whatever it might be?
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Do your due diligence and make sure you're speaking that language.
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That is a great point.
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Thank you.
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Because in any scenario where you're speaking to another individual trying to relay information, you should use the language of the individual that you are trying to speak to, so you want to mirror their language.
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So definitely looking up that jargon for that specific industry and incorporating that into not just your resume but, once you do get the interview, using it there as well.
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Exactly, and it's okay to say, hey, I'm leaning heavily into my teaching background, the way I see my students.
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You would see your stakeholders right, you can say students and stakeholders, or students and clients in the same sentence.
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What you want to really make sure that you're doing is painting that picture for the person that you're interviewing with, because, yes, we've all had teachers, maybe they're in our families, maybe you know your mom or your dad was a teacher and you understand, as an interviewer, what goes into that.
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But in the event that you're talking to somebody who doesn't have a really good understanding of all the components and pieces that go into teaching, you want to make it really crystal clear that you understand that your students are your stakeholders and these are the people that you're serving in the work that you're doing.
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I think most people have heard the saying where, when you're explaining something to someone, you should explain it as if you're explaining it to a five-year-old.
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And if you can't properly explain it to a five-year-old, then the reality is that you probably don't understand it enough yourself.
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So, you know, using those analogies to draw that comparison to the experience that you have and how that would actually, you know, translate exactly to corporate America, is exactly what you need to do, because I mean, like she said, a lot of people don't necessarily have that same um connection with someone who's a teacher.
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You know, I'm I'm different in that scenario.
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I've never been a teacher.
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I'd probably be not that good of one my patience.
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Yeah, your patience level is not there I think I could do well with high schoolers, high school.
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You could not, because you would be like they're too old to be acting like that.
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I would do better.
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I'm to say I would do better with, like the younger kids who don't know better.
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I couldn't do well with people who should be acting right in art.
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Yeah, no, but like obviously I'm married to a former teacher and my mother is a retired educator, so I do have a different perspective on it.
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Yeah, well, you know what goes into it and all the things that we pour in.
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It's the school day.
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You come home and you're doing grading and planning.
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Yeah, it's a full-time, round the clock.
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So, training and development customer service.
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I think program management really lends well, also because, as a classroom teacher, you are managing a program right.
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If you're teaching social studies or science, what are you doing?
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You have your lessons, you have your content, you have your projects, you have your rubrics, you have your field trips, you have your field trip permission slip forms.
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You're doing all these pieces and components that tie everything together, and that's really what project management is.
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It's you have a start right.
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What are you trying to accomplish?
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And you have an end date and then you work backwards from there to achieve that goal.
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What are those components that go into what you need to do in order to achieve that goal?
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Who are, again, the stakeholders?
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Who else needs to be involved?
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How are you going to hold them accountable?
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How are you going to communicate with them?
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How are you going to pull them in?
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How are you going to communicate with them?
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How are you going to pull them in?
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How are you going to build your champions right?
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There's all those components in project management that you're absolutely already doing as a classroom teacher.
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If you're a science teacher, think about all the work that goes into setting up a lab.
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That goes into setting up a dissection.
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That goes into setting up a chemistry experiment, setting up a dissection.
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That goes into, you know, setting up a chemistry experiment.
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I don't care if it's something as quote, unquote, simple as and I hope it.
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You know, I'm not offending anybody, but like, one of the things that sticks out to me is in chemistry class and you tie dye shirts, you know, like I don't remember the lesson, Maybe I'm mixing it up.
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I did not do that in my chemistry class at all.
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Not chemistry.
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No, I don't know.
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I did not do that in my chemistry class at all.
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Not chemistry.
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No, I don't know, I could be wrong.
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I could be wrong.
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I mean, I don't know, you were the South Carolina education system, so Don't be throwing shade.
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But you know you're setting up, you ordered all the components.
